Tuesday, November 09, 2004

From the Department of Gloating

And I quote:

"Once the minority of House and Senate are comfortable in their minority status, they will have no problem socializing with the Republicans. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they've been fixed, then they are happy and sedate."
-- Grover Norquist, Bush advisor and president of Americans for Tax Reform, cited in the Washington Post and on Meet the Press

So, are the Democrats effectively neutered?

17 Comments:

At 8:12 AM, Blogger Dave said...

pretty much.
I voted Kerry because I dislike Bush and absolutely despise the crazies (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney). But thinking back, I never really was inspired by Kerry. I just disliked Bush and what he's done - enough so to vote Kerry. Running a 'hate-the-other-guy' campaign is not sustainable for the Democrats, they need more substance. yes, there were facts, but people can, and did, choose to ignore them. People want to be impressed, not governed...sadly.

That said, if Colin Powell ran for president I would campaign for him.

 
At 8:22 AM, Blogger Dr. Science said...

Can you blame them for gloating?? They beat a party that had piles and piles of facts, news, and public opinion on its side...

 
At 9:43 AM, Blogger Barry said...

Are Democrats neutered? Not with 55 million voters that wanted to remove a wartime president. Let Republicans have their gloatfest. They may become complacent and forget that taxation without representation makes people angry. That would be their downfall.

 
At 9:49 AM, Blogger Overd0g said...

Hmmm. Minorities in both houses of congress. Lost the Presidency. Minority of governorships. I don't think Dems are neutered per se, but they are becoming less relevant with every election.

 
At 9:51 AM, Blogger Sid Suspicious said...

my commiserations... i have to say i thought this would happen though. the GOP campaign machine is simply too effecient for the threadbare job the democrats ran this year. Kerry was undoubtedly smarter, and had his integrity mercifully intact despite the GOP's best efforts, but he just wasn't prepared to stoop as low as the damn republican swine. have to say too, that as an outsider, were i to know nothing of either's policies and to be stupid enough to vote on the basis of charisma and rhetoric, Bush would have won my vote hands down. shameless plug: see my post on this if you want. think the post was called "how to make money on the US presidential election".

 
At 10:46 AM, Blogger huntress252 said...

Yes, the Democrats have no cojones! That is why I am Unaffiliated. Not Independent, mind you, UNAFFILIATED. This way, I can pick and choose, for all the good it'll do me.

 
At 2:11 PM, Blogger polonius said...

The GOP political machine? Most of you people make it sound like most of america are just a bunch of blank slates walking around waiting to be told what to do. I think what this election showed is how far out of the main stream the democratic party is. People got out to vote because they were affraid of the possibiltiy of a liberal senetor from massachusets, likei kerry, might actually get in office and have executive privlidge over the state of affairs for the next 4 years. The dems simply need to quite being so damn negative and basing their ability to be right on whether or not america is doing well. America does poorly, the dems do well. that doesn't sound like the party I want to be affiliated with.

 
At 2:50 PM, Blogger George said...

Democrats are not neutered in a sense that they will not be impotent. We may have to give them couple of rabies shots to prevent the spread of the disease. Democrats should rename themselves Socialists or People's Democratic Party because that's what they really are. At least those who are in control. I believe that Democrats will be true to their Bolshevik ways and will try to sabotage everything from judges to tax cuts to Social Security. I think it is immensely advantageous to us that Democrats just don't get it. I think we should support them in their endeavour to re-educate America as Geraldine Ferraro suggested because it is sure to backfire on them.

 
At 3:39 PM, Blogger stella_maris said...

Dear George, we come from the same country but, sadly, our views are from two different planets ...

 
At 3:41 PM, Blogger Russ said...

I don't think the Democratic party is neutered at all. This election brough out high numbers of voters in both parties. The thing that tipped the scales in Bush's favor was that 11 states had gay marriage issues on their ballots. This brought out all the religious voters who in turning down thier states' initiatives, also voted for Bush. Put a contested issue on any ballot and it will bring out the voters in droves. Kerry had more votes than Reagan if you count the numbers. Bush just had more.

A lot of people who voted for Kerry didn't vote for him, but rather they voted against Bush. If the Democrats could bring a candidate forward that is not so far left, is not a senator, and appeals to people like Bill Clinton did, they could very well take back the Whitehouse in 08'.

The Democrats impotent? No. Karl Rove just made sure the Republican political machine was running on Viagra.

 
At 7:46 PM, Blogger CleverCynic said...

I really don't think the gay marriage thing on the ballot hurt the dems. My reason tells me that people who were passionate about that issue would be more relaxed voting for Kerry provided they were able to ban it in their state with nothing he could do about it, provided they agreed with him on most other things. And anyway, this isn't really a partisan issue. The percentage of people that voted for it is not much higher than the representation of gays themselves. Figure maybe five to ten percent of non-gays agreed with them. That's pretty liberal. I don't suspect that anyone who is actually married voted for it, more likely those who are not and view it as abstract anyway.

 
At 7:16 AM, Blogger Princess_1979 said...

This is directed to Sid Suspicious, the Dems didn't stoop as low as the Republicans? Were you even paying attention to the debates? The ads run by the Dems were nothing more than a smear campaign. They never said what they would do for this country, only brought up the shortcomings of their opponent. The Republicnas did the same thing. This past election must have been the worst in history. Both sides were down in the mud. The Dems gave just as good as they got, so don't give me any of that crap. Do you even live here?

 
At 1:42 PM, Blogger Albert Saur said...

I watched and listened to an interesting discussion between Grover Norquist and Bill Moyers last week (on November 5). Grover is an idealist as well as an ideologue. He believes in a utopia in which there is very little government, very low taxes, and enterpreneurs are pretty much free to do whatever they want. He visualizes the resulting society as one in which everyone owns something, specifically shares of stock in corporations that pay good dividends. Without taxes and government interference, he believes that this utopian society would come into existence. Everyone would have a savings account that would grow to provide a decent retirement income. It would also provide money to pay for medical expenses. It would be wonderful.

I agree it would be wonderful. However, I don't see how Grover gets around the fact that we had a century of small government and low taxes while the capitalistic entrepreneurs could do pretty much whatever they pleased. It didn't lead to anything like the utopia he imagines.

We progressives, liberals, Democrats, socialists, etc., are not going to accept minority status quietly. We have truth and history on our side of this argument. Grover Norquist is not the only one who has this impossible utopian dream. President Bush recently talked about achieving the "ownership society." It sounds as though he and Grover Norquist have the same dream. It's hopeless to try to wake them up, but we must show the rest of the nation the basic fallacies in their beliefs.

 
At 4:18 PM, Blogger CleverCynic said...

Listen I'm a results kinda guy. I fear socialism because of the marginality of all the countries that have adopted it. I have read Marx as part of a healthy humanities program as well and yes it's filled with cool ideas in theory. In practice however, it has resulted in death in the worst case, and static innovation and welfare states at best. The other problem is that you all simultaneously decry our status in the world which means you don't really care that our system of government has preserved our world status, you see that as a bad thing. This is why we cannot afford to let you run the country even though you do it under the banner of a stronger America etc... we know that that is not what is really in your hearts.

What you would need to do is to find what the problem with liberalism is in the most promising country other than the U.S. and try to tweak it. If it became a financially viable force to be reckoned with, then a lot of us would come on board, but as it stands, we remain terrified of it and you.

Because of this sentiment, I must now point out that socialism is based on the same idea of Utopia, and you have it in your mind that everyone is happy. Yet you KNOW for a fact that as it stands 52% of us would not, which completely refutes your idea of it. It's actually the same reason I don't believe heaven can actually exist in any commercial sense. A utopia requires that people are happy with it, but we're Americans... driven, ambitious, innovative. We just don't want it. Not most of us anyway.

 
At 1:14 PM, Blogger E. Goldstein said...

Hello all. In answer to the question: are the Democrats effectively neutered...

Well I think the Dems have been suborned, on the national level, by the kind of people who collude with the Republican party on mass voter fraud in a Presidential Election. Neutered? It depends on your perspective. Are they being beaten or bought? I don't know for certain. Chances are, neither does anybody reading this, no matter what our political identification is.

mischevously, merrily

EG

 
At 11:53 AM, Blogger bara bseiso said...

i think the democrats are not united enough and this leads to their weakness.

 
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