Friday, February 25, 2005

Scary New Numbers

The newest HIV and AIDS stats show that while the AIDS rates among whites has pretty much stayed the same, the infection rate among Blacks in America has doubled. That's right -

Check out the article.


At 3:45 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

Hey, be very careful you may be accused of making a racist comment.

At 6:55 AM, Blogger William C. White said...

Spoken like a true racist, Charlie.

At 10:00 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

Willy! I don’t think so!

At 8:18 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

Of course you wouldn’t think your comment was racist. You’re the same guy who, for party fun, dresses up as a German army officer. Hah! Hah! Yeah, that’s hilarious. You’re also the same person who sees a white Supreme Court judge dressing up in blackface as nothing for anyone to get offended about because it’s just a joke.

Yeah, a person would have to be crazy to think Mr. Charlie was a racist. Where would they ever get that idea from?

For your information, most racist don’t see themselves as racist.

Would a person also be crazy to think that you’re homophobic? Before, you answer, remember this comment: “I am not surprised, doing what they do, disease is bound to mutate.”

I found that most homophobes are racist, and most racist are homophobes. Your comments clearly indicate that you’re a homophobe, and your other comments clearly show that you’re a racist. The fact that you brought up that a person talking about factual information pertaining to blacks would be called a racist, only reinforces my belief that you are a racist.

You choose to be a homophobe, and you choose to be a racist. Either accept what you are or change.

At 9:24 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

Yes me and Prince Harry must have the same gene pool and Ken Livingstone, who called a Jewish reporter a “prison camp guard” is anti-Semitic, is that a form of racism, does that make him homophobic. Ken would find that a shock, considering he’s done more for the Gay community than any other politician.
FACT: If I had a huge number of female sexual partners and did not use some form of protection I would expect to have a high probability of STD the same would apply if I had the same with males. This is backed up by doctors, so nothing sinister there.
Talking about sinister, do you also know what I was doing last night?

At 3:55 AM, Blogger William C. White said...

Horrible reasoning, Charlie. You make Patrick Anderson’s reasoning actually look good, and if you’ve seen Patrick Anderson’s reasoning, then you know that is not a good thing.

Firstly, you seem to think that because Prince Harry does something that makes it okay. Remember, English people are the ones who think “Prince” Harry and family have “royal blood”, other people do not. Prince Harry is just another English person to me. I don’t hold the “royal family” up as gods as English people do. So, that statement is just weak!!! Besides, the idea that you are “inherently” superior to other people is what racism is all about. Doesn’t the royal family claim to have “royal blood”? In other words, aren’t they claiming that they are somehow genetically superior to everyone else, which makes them “royal”? Using, a racist concept as a defense to racism isn’t very sharp, Charlie.

A word of advice, you should probably quit trying to argue by analogy, Charlie. First, the pirate analogy, and now Livingstone? Let me show you why Livingstone is a horrible analogy. Firstly, he referred to the reporter as a concentration camp guard, making it clear that a concentration camp guard was a BAD thing. He wasn’t glorifying Nazism. You and Harry were glorifying Nazism. Livingstone’s statements are perfectly clear that a concentration camp guard is something that someone should not want to be called. It was an insult. Similar to calling someone “scum”, “retarded chimp”, or “fucking moron”. It was not a positive thing.

Secondly, EVERYONE acknowledged that Livingstone did NOT know that the reporter was Jewish, even though that should not matter. Calling a Jewish person a moron doesn’t make you Anti-Semitic. Calling a Jewish person scum does not make you Anti-Semitic, either. Jewish people are not exempt from being morons, scum, or having concentration camp guard mentalities. To suggest that they are is itself a racist idea.

If the reporter, in Livingstone’s opinion, had a concentration camp guard mentality, how is that Anti-Semitic? I know hundreds, yes; hundreds, of people who do fucked up things, and then argue that they “were just following orders.” Just like a Nazi soldier. It doesn’t make anyone racist because they point out to someone else that their ideas, comments, or actions are similar to that of a concentration camp guards’ ideas, comments, or actions. For your information, a person is a racist not because of what someone else says or does, a person is racist based on what THEY say or do.

Just in case you didn’t follow that reasoning; just because someone says that Livingstone is a racist doesn’t make it true. Also, there is no “form” of racism. Either something is racist, or it isn’t racist. There is no form of racism. This comment makes me think that you knew your analogy was horrible, but like Patrick Anderson, you chose to use flawed reasoning anyway.

FACT: You can try to change it if you want, but you didn’t say that gays would expect to have a higher probability of STD’s because they have unprotected sex. You said that “DISEASE IS BOUND TO MUTATE” based on gays “DOING WHAT THEY DO”. What? Disease doesn’t mutate when heterosexuals do what they do? Only when gays do what they do? So, yes, there is something sinister there. That’s a homophobic statement. You can try to clean it up now, but you said what you said in the context you said it in.

Finally, I doubt that this applies to Mr. Livingstone, but in America, an outrageous number of gays are the primary supporters of homophobic ideas, comments, laws, etc. So, just because someone is gay doesn’t mean that they cannot be homophobic. Similarly, just because someone is black doesn’t mean that they cannot hold racist views about blacks. It’s called an inferiority complex.

So, you’re education lesson is done for the day. I hope you learned something, but if you didn’t all I can say is: Quit drinking out of Patrick Anderson’s cup, it’s obvious that his chimp juice is contagious. Also, I don’t know what you did last night; I hope you weren’t mutating any diseases. Oh, I’m sorry, according to you only gays can do that. But wait a minute, what if you …… Nah, you couldn’t have an inferiority complex could you?

At 3:56 AM, Blogger William C. White said...

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At 12:52 PM, Blogger Charlie said...

Well Willy you certainly like to savage your victims don’t you!
Me and Harry Windsor glorifying Nazism- like the people of Padstow Devon celebrating Darkie Day longing for the return of slavery no doubt.( Irony). Or all my family relatives who fought Hitler flying Spits and Hurricanes and after the war my Fathers cousin who went to live in America designing and building missiles to help defend the United States.
The whole point of Livingstone was he did know the reporter was Jewish, that’s a fact, his argument was also with the reporters paper a sister paper of the Daily Mail who in the 1930’s backed the Black Shirts but at that time many people were worried by the rise of communism, Britain at that period had many communist organisations. Livingstone is still fighting battles long won and forgotten. I must confess the term racism does not worry me its been used so many times in the last ten to fifteen years usually to close down an argument and make people feel as guilty as hell, in an opinion pole recently the top concern was Immigration (70%), when people were interviewed and told it could be racist, they replied “then I’m a racist”. Look to Holland, a local mayor stopped the flying of the Dutch flag because it might offend Muslims; of course it created an outcry. So don’t box people in by calling them racist they might just jump out and give you a nasty bite.

(Just in case you didn’t follow that reasoning; just because someone says that Livingstone is a racist doesn’t make it true. ) Glad you accept that then.

The Royal family are better than me, maybe not better than you though, I accept many people are superior to me I can live with that. The equality argument is greatly flawed, all men created equal a flawed concept, you can strive for equality don’t let me stop you. I will always be better than the person who beats up an old lady and steals her money and not as clever as some lawyers who can turn the truth into a lie and a lie into a truth, but if I could do that, I wouldn’t, so that makes me better than some people. Facts and assumptions usually get mixed up or wrongly interpreted and your assumption that I’m a racist proves the point, but I am not offended by the accusation many of my betters are similarly accused.
I do not know of this Patrick Anderson who you continually refer to he must be quite famous for you to be in awe of him.

At 8:51 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

The fact that you think the royal family is superior to you says it all. You and other English people who believe that garbage need help.

Also, I've never heard a lie turned into the truth or the truth turned into a lie. But a person with an inferiority complex can probably see that happening.

Get help with your issues. You take it easy.

At 9:14 AM, Blogger flika said...

Uh, could you guys stop using this forum for personal attacks on each other? Thanks.

-Jean Chen, Managing Editor

At 9:52 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

So much for free speech!
To be thrown off a blog at my time of life, with lots of children to support. Disgusting……..

At 4:54 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

Jean Chen, you argue your way and I'll argue my way. If you don't care about the validity of arguments (look at some of your popandpolitics member’s post), don't act as if you care about the "style" of arguments.

I’m going to say whatever the fuck I want to say and no fake-ass wannabe punk-ass editor is going to tell me shit. So FUCK OFF!!!!!!

At 4:58 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

Oh dear dear, it’s the shame and humiliation that worries me, not to mention the cost of counselling for punctured pride. I thought women were tolerant and understanding however power and jackboots and “You vill do as I say”.

At 11:11 AM, Blogger Farai said...

Hi folks:

This is Farai Chideya, the founder of PopandPolitics. Jean is the editor and she's spot-on when she asks all y'all for civility.

Free speech does not mean you get to act like a child and throw a tantrum in someone else's forum. If you want full-contact, gloves-off, start your own blog and invite people to post nasty things about you. If you really want to champion free speech, do something to support Sunshine Sunday.I love Blogger, I do. But this platform offers us limited options in terms of making sure people who have something to say say it and people who don't don't... at least not on our time.

If we can't play nice in the sandbox, we will take the sandbox down until we can build a better sandbox using different technologies. We can always make this blog a no-comment blog, where you have to be a member in order to post.

We don't want to do that. We want the most vigorous intellectual and cultural discussion we can, with a minimum of ego-tripping.

I'm appealing to the members of the community to make sure we can keep this place as open as possible. I believe in this blog, these discussions, and the people who make it happen. Any "wannabe" editors out there are people who poop in someone else's sandbox and expect us to clean it up...

At 11:18 AM, Blogger Farai said...

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At 5:50 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

You know and I know, if your members were the only ones who could comment, then based on your current member list, these posts would be even lamer than what they already are.

If anything is childish, your threats are childish, "I'll take my baseball and go home if you guys don't talk the way I like." WOOOOO!!! I'm scared!!!

For your information you have a post where the topic is “Genocide in the Garden”. But your clever member who made the post speaks on, among other things:

1. “Bible Scholars”
2. “the 1991 Gulf War”
3. “Michael Moore”
4. “Ward Churchill”
5. “The butcher of Bagdad”

Now, if someone picked up on any of those additional things would they be “[pooping] in some else’s sandbox”?

What kind of debate/response did you think “Scary New Numbers” was going to get. The same kind of debate as “Celebrate your own Folks!”, “New Scare, old mentality towards HIV”, “Owning an NFL Team”, or “Sharpton Joins With an Animal Rights Group in Calling for a Boycott of KFC”.

If Charlie or I hadn’t said anything on that post, there would not have been anything on that post. Don’t act as if we’re scaring people off or something.

If you want to cut someone off, that’s your business. But if you think yours is the only blog spot that I hang out at, then you guys think more of yourselves than I actually thought you did.

Besides personal attacks on Saddam have millions of people erroneously believing that he raped, gassed, and murdered hundreds of thousands of people. So, don’t knock personal attacks as an argument style. Sometimes, when reasoning doesn’t seem to work, personal attacks seem to hit the nail right on the head.

At 5:21 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

I agree with you Willy.


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