Sunday, December 12, 2004

U.S. reportedly held Iran war simulation

"WASHINGTON, Dec. 12 (UPI) --

The U.S. Defense Department reportedly held simulations to determine the effectiveness of an attack on Iran, the Middle East Newsline reported Sunday

The Atlantic Monthly revealed the Pentagon held simulations of a U.S. military strike on Iranian bases and nuclear facilities. The war games also included a ground invasion."

Well, practice makes perfect I suppose.

But seriously folks, just because we are war gaming an invasion of Iran, let's not get excited just yet. I think this administration has learned it takes too much effort to sell this country on a pre-emptive war against a seemingly innocuous enemy.

I mean you could but who has time to educate an entire country that is fed a steady diet of Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan, on the complex history of Iran-US relations?

I could be wrong but for now I think it's just mind games and saber rattling.


At 11:38 PM, Blogger Ralph M. said...

I truly hope you are right about it just being sable-rattling. However, you have to consider the fact that Iran openly shows a desire to have at least a nuclear energy program. I believe this to be legitimate, but I wouldnt be surprised if alot of people in the Red States just see Iran as "freedom haters" and "terrorists" because they are an Islamic country. Couple this with the threat of nuclear weapons and Gus and Sally Conservative might think that Iran is even more of a danger than Iraq, because those "nuclear weapons" are within striking distance of our troops in Iraq.

I've learned from the election that you can't count on 51% of this country to think about things rationally.

~~~ Ralph M. @

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At 8:10 AM, Blogger Lish said...

I think that Bush would have to work overtime on making Iran seem as they are before the people would support another war.
You have to start the way you're going to finish. Since he didn't with the present war, the american people lost a lot of faith.
still... gi joe figurines and a simulator are really pointless from an administration who undermined the Iraqis ability to fight back in the end.

At 10:04 AM, Blogger Christiana said...

Frankly, I would have been more surprised to learn that they hadn't done any simulations or projections. In fact, I imagine they do this sort of thing all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are actually planning to ivade Iran. The very problems we are having now in Iraq demonstrate pretty conclusively that whatever model we were using to predict the outcome wasn't a terribly good one. Don't you think we should do whatever we can to practice these sorts of predictions, so that, in the future, if we ever have to go to war, we'll at least know better what we're getting into?

At 1:58 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

Iran is totally justified in developing a nuclear capability. The simple fact is, America will NOT attack a country that has the ability to nuke all 100,000 troops that you put on THEIR soil. If Iraq had nuclear weapons, you can believe, America would have never invaded that country.

If America initiates an attack against Iran, we're done. Period. We can't win this war against Iraq, how are we going to win a war against Iraq and Iran? One day Americans will wake up and see that we are not as strong as we would like to believe we are. You can't force feed democracy to people who don't understand the concepts of democracy. The people of Iraq will NEVER be a democratic people. Shiites represent over 50% of the country, so wouldn't it be logical to assume that a "democratically" elected leader would be Shiite?

Besides wasn't Hitler democratically elected? So much for democracy.

At 1:28 AM, Blogger said...

People were'nt really fooled on the Iraq war. They were told something and believed it, and for now what they were told was wrong. My point is...people didn't and still don't know the truth of Saddam's regime. It was "messed" up to casualy put it. Weapons or not, we probably should have gone in there. I don't know Bush's full intentions with Iraq, I read "Plan of Attack" and that gave me an idea, but I still don't know. Bush (with Iran) is going to cry wolf and say that they have WMD's to the people, which they probably do, and when the people don't believe him, all he will have left to do is sit back and say "I told you so." Bush doesn't have to care about approval ratings or getting re-elected, If I were you, I'd look for some serious ass whooping via the U.S.

Jim Scott

At 6:35 PM, Blogger Phoenix Woman said...

Oh, Lordy. Ahmad Chalabi, if he pulls this off, will go down in history as the man who destroyed three nations: Iraq, Iran, and the US.

The Chinese, even now, are starting to balk at providing more debt service to Bush. To start another war would be insanity. (But then again, Bush wants to saddle us with another $3 trillion in debt so he can destroy Social Security and parcel out its remains to his brokerage-firm buddies and campaign donors, so who knows whether anyone there has any claims to sanity?)

At 8:19 PM, Blogger Joe Caggiano said...

Hello William. You have a negative view of human nature. There is a natural urning for people to be free. To say that they can't be forced fed democracy is the wrong thinking. We are trying to create a free and safe atmosphere so that fredom can flourish via free elections and free of daily threats against there own people and our servicemen. We are winning but things cannot be wrapped up like all of us would like. The very same things when on in WWII it took years to put down the ressitance in Germany too.

At 11:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I was in the Army, we did indeed hold simulations like this all the time. There are whole training facilities dedicated to learning how to fight in various parts of the world, and units that specifically study the known tactics and weapons of opposing forces to play their roles in the war games. None of that should be a surprise to anyone. And yes, we specifically scheduled these "exercises" in various parts of the world to remind people on the other side of the border that we were there, and we were preparing for them. I'm sure this isn't the first time we've simulated a run into Iran. After all, we've been at odds with them for 25 years now.

About those years, I would like to point out a few things that are frequently overlooked about recent Iranian history. In 1977, Iran was ruled by an iron-fisted dictator who had one of the most feared secret police forces in the world. The Shah of Iran was brutal, corrupt, arbitrary, and fully supported by the United States government because of his strategic proximity to the Soviet Union. His regime stood in the Muslim world as an icon of the pure hypocrisy of a United States foreign policy that preached freedom and democracy while it practiced tyranny and torture. The abuses at Abu Ghraib prison are petty humiliations compared to the horrific techniques we taught Savak in Iran. Look it up if you don't believe me.

In 1979, the people of Iran revolted, cast off their chains of oppression, threw out the foreign mercenaries and spies who backed the Shah, and instituted the ONLY openly elected parliament in any Muslim nation. In any reasonable assessment, those of us who love the Declaration of Independence and the Spirit of '76 should have rejoiced and given them our enthusiastic support. Except, of course, that the evil foreign mercenaries and spies were Americans. And so, instead of encouraging this move towards liberation and self-governance, we developed an instant hatred of our brethren in Iran. And that's the way it has been for 25 years since.

I hope those of you who carry on about how Iran will never be a democratic people think about that a little. I don't think it should come as a huge shock, given their experience with our tender governance, that they did not immediately look to us as a model they wanted to follow. Why would they want to grow up to be like us, and support the repressive regime of another Shah? And so they developed a model of governance that attempts to balance their traditional religious social order with a more participatory, parliamentary system.

It is absolutely fair to critique their successes and failures. They go back and forth through phases, giving more power to the popularly elected legislature, and then moving it back to the institutional church councils, as they struggle to find a balance that they find appropriate. Sometimes they are more decent to their people, sometimes they imprison and torture dissidents. Sometimes I feel encouraged, sometimes I despair. But my point is, they are attempting, as a diverse and complex society, to find a new balance in government that they hope will correct the failings we have shown in ours.

The best way for us to participate in that, if we want to actually help the Iranian people, is to acknowledge our Cold War failures and try to set a model of how our non-religious state avoids some of the horrors of their religiously-closed version. Instead, however, we continue to show ourselves to be bullies and thugs. We're not going to win any converts to our vision of Democracy that way.

-- The Green Man

At 6:19 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

As a proud RED STATER, let me add fill in all you lily-livered BLUE STATERS about IRAN. First of all, there will be NO INVASION and likely NO MILITARY ACTION of any kind against the Islamic Republic and creator of modern Islamic terrorism. WHY? Because there is a huge population there that supports the US and wants to rejoin the community of free nations. Some of these folks might actually WELCOME a US military strike, but that would only coalesce the dictatorial control the mullahs hold on that nation. the US MUST ADDRESS both the issue of Iran creating and Islamic bomb AND their troublemaking in Iraq. But we can and should look to our "friends" the French and the UN to work on this too. It's about time those folks did something other than complain.

OK, now you are assured about that, you can get back to accusing Bush of stealing the election and plotting to create a fascist state.

At 3:23 PM, Blogger Melissa said...

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At 3:25 PM, Blogger Melissa said...

The fact of the matter is that this country neither has the money nor the manpower to launch another war, so I don't know why we're bothering to discuss it.

At 7:27 PM, Blogger Todd said...

I cant understand why Bush is so upset about Iran developing a nuclear energy program. After all, wasnt the development of nuclear power as a replacement to coal advocated by Bush when he rejected the Kyoto protocol?

We have all see what has happened in Iraq, in a country that had little popular support for the government. Can you imagine how bad it will be in a country like Iran where there is a level of popular support for the government?

I dont even want to think about the possibility of a borderless warzone stretching from Pakistan to Iraq.

At 10:12 AM, Blogger Bulldog said...

This is primarily a response to The Green Man. I too am a vet, Marine Corps infantry 81-85.

There is no question the Shah was a despot.

There is no question that U.S. support of him and others during this period was antithetical to what we should stand for.

There is no question that the state, as a body of citizens, has the right to throw off a despot like the Shah.

You forgot something though. The American Marine and civilian hostages held for 444 days. This is not the act of a state seeking to throw off its oppressors. This is simply one thug, cloaked in religion, throwing off another. By your definition of representative democracy, the old Soviet Union was much more free than under the Czars. Yes, the people got to select the members of their legislative body, but who got to pick the people who got to run?

We, as a nation, have made some terrible mistakes. They do not justify what happened in Iran.

As to war-gaming an invasion of Iran... it doesn't even reach the level of sabre rattling. It is a constant in the military to analyze potential scenarios. I'd be willing to bet they are doing the same with Korea, some of the former Soviet republics, Saudi Arabia, some of the unstable African nations and others. When the secretary of defense or the president ask "what would happen if..." you need to be ready with more than a guess.


At 6:50 PM, Blogger Gustavo said...

Really, this idea is "wonderful". U.S. Army will ataq Iran? But, in Iraq, americans soldiers are died, day after day. This reelected presidente of the U.S.A. is a fascist. He think than can destroier many countries and peoples. And he is a fundamentalist cristian. He believs than is a "new profet". Pope said, in 2003, than God not is a warrior God. But God, said Jesus, is love. Love and Justice. If Bush really think in a ataq on Iran, is dangerous for all us... Nort Corea and Iran will react. That 2 countries have Army. Bush is a irracional leader. This is dangerous.
God save us.
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