Monday, February 07, 2005

You Can Hear a Pin Drop

Grateful Iraqi
Jesse Jackson in London???

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Liberals are sooooo quiet these days. It must be because they are truly devastated by the stunning progress in the Middle East:

1. Afghanistan is reasonably peaceful (for Afghanistan), has had successful elections and is making steady progress toward democracy.

Iraqis Celebrate

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2. Millions of courageous Iraqis braved suicide bombings, mortar fire, and all
manner of intimidation from insurgents desperately trying to stop the elections. And, with U.S. help, they are succeeding in casting off the yoke of tyrrany in the name of freedom and self-determination.

3. The Palestinians have held successful elections as moderate Mahmoud Abbas was elected with 62% of the vote. Could it be there is a silent majority in Palestine as well?

4. Now Israelis and Palestinians have declared a cease fire just days after Condoleeza Rice was confirmed as U.S. Secretary of State. Peace talks have begun in earnest now that terrorist Arafat is in the ground. "This is the most promising moment of progress between Palestinians and Israelis in recent years," Rice said, as she became the first high ranking U.S. official in years to visit the Palestinian Authority headquarters in Ramallah.

The left continues to
Troops Saluting Bush

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underestimate George Bush and his hard working administration. John Kerry offers some timely advice, warning us not to "overhype" the stunning success of the Iraqi election as millions of Iraqis dance in the streets. And quoting from the always razor sharp Ann Coulter, "Democrats haven't been this depressed since we captured Saddam Hussein."

13 Comments:

At 1:11 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

Since this seemed to shut you up and send you running last time, let us try it again.

Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
liberal - willing to respect and accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own. 2 (of a society, law, etc.) favourable to individual rights and freedoms. 3 (in a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate reform. 4 (Liberal) (in the UK) relating to the Liberal Democrat party. 5 (especially of an interpretation of a law) not strictly literal. 6 given, used, or giving in generous amounts. 7 (of education) concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience.

Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary:
liberal - (of a political party or a country) believing in or allowing more personal freedom and a development towards a fairer sharing of wealth and power within society.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
liberal - 1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
liberal - of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives.

Damn!!! Those liberals are some strange bastards. Wanting economic freedom for everyone, greater individual participation in government, wanting to be free from bigotry, being concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience in education. What kind of sick garbage is that? I can see how anyone would want to be a conservative.

Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
conservative - averse to change and holding traditional values. 2 (in a political context) favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas. 3 (Conservative) relating to a Conservative Party. 4 (of an estimate) purposely low for the sake of caution.

Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary:
conservative - belonging to or supporting the British political party which opposes sudden social change, high taxation and government involvement in industry.


The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
conservative - Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit. 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate. 4a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism. b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement. 5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada. 6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism. 7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.

Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
conservative - of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism : as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
3 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL b : marked by moderation or caution (a conservative estimate) c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners (a conservative suit).

Were do you get the idea that liberals don’t like democracy? I don’t know if your mind can grasp this, you’ve shown repeatedly that you have the cognitive level of a retarded chimp, but I’ll try it anyway. The problem with the Iraq war is that you CANNOT overthrow a government just to put in a government that has been democratically elected. DO YOU GET IT????? Or do you believe that we should now overthrow Saudi Arabia and China in the name of democracy?

For the record, this is probably the 586th “cease fire” between the Israelis and the Palestinians. You obviously believe that a cease fire means something. This only confirms that you know very little about the things that you speak on. You think Afghanistan is a success? Do you think that the Taliban and the warlords are not still running Afghanistan? Dude, grow up and get educated. Opium is Afghanistan’s number one product. It makes over 60% of their economy.

The always sharp Ann Coulter? Look at the always sharp Ann Coulter in her own words, not what someone says she said, here this straight from her mouth.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/_media/Coulter.mov

Sharp? Yeah, she’s about as sharp as cotton. But it’s not surprising that someone with your mentality would think that Ann Coulter is sharp.

Now that I’m done, take off running like a good coward. Just in case you haven’t noticed, I will no longer GIVE anyone respect. From now on respect is EARNED, not given away.

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Patrick Anderson said...

Mr. White--Your respect is not important to me because you show so little for yourself. The only one damaged by your tirades and personal insults is you. I will not dignify your comments with any further discussion as you have already proven the truth behind the post. Good evening.

 
At 7:53 PM, Blogger William C. White said...

Whatever helps you shut up sooner!!!

 
At 11:55 PM, Blogger PuzzledPatriot said...

Mr. Anderson -- I hope you will continue to read comments here, despite the vitriol of Mr. White. While I personally feel it is seldom if ever appropriate to belittle someone in public (particularly on the web), I respectfully submit that Mr. White's anger does not prove your point.

As was brought up some time ago, statistics about voter turnout in the Iraqi election are meaningless, especially given that many candidates' true identities were secret. What would be meaningful? Peace, or at least a reduction in violence. Indications that the people of Iraq feel their newly elected government has some legitimacy.

I am puzzled that you are proud of the Bush administration for these elections. It strikes me a bit like being proud of a little kid for paying to fix the window he maliciously broke in the first place. Yeah, it beats him not paying, but wouldn't it have been better not to break the window in the first place?

And just so there's no confusion, the window I'm talking about has little to do with Saddam. I'm referring to the entire Iraqi state. It was unnecessary for the US to dissolve the state in its entirety, and that dissolution was the source of many of the problems during the occupation.

 
At 12:41 AM, Blogger The Green Man said...

Enjoy it while you can, Mr. Anderson. The first thing I saw on BBC this evening, after reading your comments, was this:

Hamas and Islamic Jihad have said they are not bound by the ceasefire agreed between Palestinian and Israeli leaders at a summit in Egypt on Tuesday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4248783.stm

It's always easy to claim victory for a day or two. Lasting solutions are harder to find.

 
At 1:27 PM, Blogger Patrick Anderson said...

I was justly reprimanded by Ms. Chen for turning a recent comment into a seperate blog entry. So I have removed the blog entry, and pasted below what used to be "More from: You Can Hear a Pin Drop," complete with Mr. White's latest contributions. My humble apologies to the management. Thank you for guiding me back into compiance. -Patrick Anderson

Wednesday, February 09, 2005
More from "You Can Hear a Pin Drop" Feb. 7, 2005

Dear Puzzled Patriot:

Thank you for your calm and well crafted post. You are a gentleman. It may surprise you to learn that I agree with you on many points. This is a horrible war. We did "break the window," and it is costing way too much money and far too many lives to fix it. I am not proud of this war, nor am I proud of the Bush administration for letting us get drawn into what amounts to urban warfare against an almost invisible enemy. My history book records this as a huge tactical error. And yes, I absolutely agree that progress must be measured by a reduction in violence, an end to the killing, and finally peace.

As a pragmatist, I know that history cannot be changed. What happened yesterday or yesteryear will not be reversed no matter how loudly and viciously we protest, and no matter how outraged we become over the enormous expense and the tragic loss of lives. We must now be judged by what we accomplish going forward. And so America is faced with two choices in Iraq: (1) surrender, or (2) finish the job.

Surely you must know that surrender is not an option. Surrender to the terrorist jihad would be far more costly in lives and dollars than standing our ground and finishing the job. An American surrender would supercharge the enemy, an enemy that teaches its children that it is their religious duty to kill Americans and Israelis. Surrender would lead to a huge civil war and a blood bath in Iraq, the likes of which we have not seen since the collapse of the South Vietnamese government.

Robert F. Turner, Associate Director at the Center for National Security Law, University of Virginia School of Law wrote in December of 2001:

"Most Vietnam "peace activists" no doubt still feel pride in having "ended the war." They simply don't realize that those whom they helped bring to power slaughtered more people in the first two years of "peacetime" following the "liberation" of Indochina than were killed during the previous 14 years of war, including an estimated two million in tiny Cambodia alone. Additional millions were consigned to a Stalinist tyranny that decades later continued to rank among the world's worst human rights violators. But most Americans don't know that, having tuned out Vietnam when American troops came home more than a quarter-century ago."

On August 3, 1995 The Wall Street Journal published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi's victory. Mr. Tin responded "It was essential to our strategy."

My point is, Americans have lives to save. We have a job to finish. And there are heroic young men and women standing in the line of fire, losing limbs and coming home in body bags so that you and I can sit on our asses and sound off about anything that enters our mind. But, ranting loudly and viciously attacking the decisions and intentions of our leadership produces no positive result. It feeds the spirit of the enemy, undermines the efforts of our courageous soldiers, and costs American and Iraqi lives every day. The constant criticism and second guessing only prolongs the war and , if allowed to prevail, leads to a disastrous conclusion for those who cherish freedom.

As mentioned, I have issues with the Bush administration over some of the moves they've made. But, looking at all the cards on the table, the decision to go forward with the Iraqi elections on January 30 was absolutely the right move. It will save thousands of lives and advance the cause of freedom. That's my measuring stick. I'm proud of our leadership for enduring the pressure from all the surrender critics who wanted to delay the elections. George Bush, I salute you.

The result was a clear message to the terrorist insurgency that the Iraqi people have backbone and possess a genuine appetite for freedom and democracy. You cannot stage the kind of spontaneous street celebrations we witnessed two Sundays ago, the victory signs, nor the fingers of blue ink proudly displayed in defiance of those who would subjugate the Iraqi people. The memory of these courageous voters will inspire Muslims throughout the Middle East to seek and defend what is rightfully theirs as living inhabitants of this planet--individual freedom. If you are arguing about the poll statistics, you are missing the point. The events of that day should be a profound lesson for every American who even remotely takes liberty for granted, myself included.

I'll admit I baited the discussion with the Ann Coulter quote ("Democrats haven't been this depressed since we captured Saddam Hussein."). It's a wicked comment designed to infuriate the surrender critics. But I am disgusted that any American enjoying the blanket of freedom (purchased with the blood of fallen American soldiers throughout our history) can sink so low as to nitpick and criticize any election where people brave homicide bombers and mortar attacks to cast their vote! And it gags me to recall John Kerry (presumed war hero) suggest how important it is not to "overhype" this historic event, he having come so close to being elected Commander in Chief. I never realized how important a vote could be.

I am most inspired by the noble sacrifices made by thousands of Iraqis, Brits and Americans who have given arms, legs, and lives so that other lives can be spared. In my opinion, there is no higher purpose than the pursuit of freedom and the protection of the helpless from oppression. If you are still tuned-in to this lengthy post, please take another moment and visit Soldier, Soldier--A Tribute. Consider making a donation to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund where 100% of the proceeds go to the grieving families of American soldiers who have given their lives in the name of our freedom. Details are included at the bottom of the site.

posted by Patrick Anderson @ 10:14 PM 2 comments

2 Comments:
At 6:19 AM, William C. White said...
You can’t run Mr. Anderson, the Matrix has you. So here we go again….

So your logic is, if you start beating the hell out of some guy thinking that he was the one who smacked your kid or insulted your wife, but in the middle of the fight you find out that he wasn’t the guy, you don’t stop kicking his ass because, hell, might as well finish what you started. Yeah, that makes PERFECT sense.

Finish the job? What job? The JOB was to find weapons of mass destruction. The job was to shut down the chemical and nuclear weapons capability. The job was to destroy Al-Quadi. The job was to punish those responsible for 9-11. The job was NOT to destabilize Iraq and forcefully implement a “democratic” (if Shiites can be democratic) government.

Like I’ve said on other posts, if another country invaded America and toppled our government, you better believe there would be hundreds of thousands of American “insurgents” attacking the invaders at every chance. And guess what our invaders would call those American insurgents? Yeah, you guessed it, TERRORIST. Damn, isn’t it strange how that works?

Surrender would lead to a huge civil war and a bloodbath in Iraq? You mean as opposed to the peace and harmony that exists today? OKAY!!!

They teach their kids that it is okay to kill Americans and Israelis? Well we teach our kids that it’s okay to kill Iraqis and other Arabs. We just use names like “terrorist”, “insurgents”, “enemy combatants”, etc. Similarly, they use names like “infidels”, “heathens”, “Satanist”, etc. So you see that’s a two-way street. Our peaceful American soldier is their ungodly infidel. Your problem seems to be ethnocentrism. Look it up!!

This paragraph,

“My point is, Americans have lives to save. We have a job to finish. And there are heroic young men and women standing in the line of fire, losing limbs and coming home in body bags so that you and I can sit on our asses and sound off about anything that enters our mind. But, ranting loudly and viciously attacking the decisions and intentions of our leadership produces no positive result. It feeds the spirit of the enemy, undermines the efforts of our courageous soldiers, and costs American and Iraqi lives every day. The constant criticism and second guessing only prolongs the war and , if allowed to prevail, leads to a disastrous conclusion for those who cherish freedom.”

can be summed up in two words EMOTIONAL BULLSHIT. Once again, you can’t argue your point, so you try and appeal to an individual’s emotions. How pathetic.

Here is another paragraph of that emotional bullshit.

I am most inspired by the noble sacrifices made by thousands of Iraqis, Brits and Americans who have given arms, legs, and lives so that other lives can be spared. In my opinion, there is no higher purpose than the pursuit of freedom and the protection of the helpless from oppression. If you are still tuned-in to this lengthy post, please take another moment and visit Soldier, Soldier--A Tribute. Consider making a donation to the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund where 100% of the proceeds go to the grieving families of American soldiers who have given their lives in the name of our freedom. Details are included at the bottom of the site.

Make a donation? That doesn’t seem very capitalistic to me!! GIVE someone money? These families should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and move on. Help take care of the families of fallen soldiers? What are we, some sick commie nation? Come on man!!! Don’t you remember your mentality from a previous post? Give me capitalism or give me death. What happened? Capitalist hypocrites amuse me.

The pursuit of freedom and the protection of the helpless from the oppression? You might want to read up on Shiites and their history (Iran) before you start making statements like that. Just when thought ignorance had its limitations, BAM, HEEEEEEERES Patty. When this is said and done, the Shiites are going to make Saddam Hussein look like Mother Theresa.

In conclusion, what was this statement to Puzzled Patriot about?

Thank you for your calm and well crafted post. You are a gentleman.

Were you taking a ladylike shot at me? Do you think that your being a gentleman when you use words like “surrender critics”? What, you don’t think that the “surrender critics’” arguments are legitimate? Are you being a gentleman/lady, whatever, when you say that those who criticize the election are sinking low and nitpicking? A couple of months ago the Shiites were “terrorists” and “insurgents” and we were amazed that they didn’t welcome us with open arms after we had “freed” them from Saddam Hussein The Wicked. Now all of the sudden they aren’t terrorists but rather brave, peaceful Iraqi people who just want their voices to be heard. Hold on a second I have to sneeze, AHHH, AHHH, AHHH, BULLSHIT. Okay, I’m back. But anyway you get the point.

You did better this time Mr. Anderson. You still used that emotional bullshit to argue, logical arguments seem to escape you, but keep trying you’ll get it eventually. I have to go now, I think there some democracy to undermine somewhere. As you know, that’s what we liberals do. Until next time.


At 6:36 AM, William C. White said...
Also, for the record, this just in:

Palestinian militants on Thursday fired dozens of mortar shells and homemade rockets at Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip.

Damn cease fires.

 
At 9:51 PM, Blogger Patrick Anderson said...

Mr. White,

I must congratulate you for making it through an entire post without calling me a moron or a retarded chimp. Your progress is commendable and I feel compelled to reward your good behavior with a rebuttal.

You said: "...if another country invaded America and toppled our government, you better believe there would be hundreds of thousands of American "insurgents” attacking the invaders at every chance."

You're damn right we would. If it happened today, those who cherish freedom would be fighting the invaders to the death, and those who don't would be scampering off to Canada. I'm wondering Which side would you be on?

On the other hand, try to imagine an America governed for three decades by a murdering, torturing, genocidal rapist like Saddaam Hussein. Then imagine that a liberator invades America and topples the merciless dictatorship. I assert that you would see millions of Americans dancing in the streets, just like the Iraqis two Sundays ago. Again, which side would you be on?

I can't wait for our soldiers to come home and the violence to end. But I would be truly disappointed in our leadership if we provided these hungry souls a taste of freedom, then walked away before they were equipped to defend it. Another "cut and run" surrender like we had in Viet Nam would be unforgivable.

You said: "They teach their kids that it is okay to kill Americans and Israelis? Well we teach our kids that it’s okay to kill Iraqis and other Arabs."

No, sir. I said we face "an enemy that teaches its children that it is their RELIGIOUS DUTY to kill Americans and Israelis." Where have you heard such a manipulative, immoral religious tenet being rammed down the throats of American children? I'd like to know, because I want to come down hard on that Sunday School teacher. Show me an American church where they strap bombs on children and teach them that if they blow themselves up and Kill some Muslims, St. Peter will be pimping 72 virgins for them when they get to the pearly gates.

American children are (or should be) taught that they were given the gift of freedom at great cost, and it is their duty to defend that gift. God has nothing to do with it. And if you can't see the difference between what the jihad liars are teaching Muslim children, and what our Founding Fathers intended for their descendents to learn, then I urge you to seek asylum in the Islamic country of your choice and join your brothers.

You attempt to cast me as a capitalist hypocrite because I would solicit voluntary contributions to a fund supporting the families of our fallen war heroes, Apparently you think true capitalists do not believe in donations. Is that what you really meant to say, or would you like to rethink that?

A capitalist is one who employs capital and labor in the production of wealth. I'm sure you can find a dozen other similarly worded definitions of capitalism, but none of them will describe a capitalist as averse to voluntary acts of generosity. In fact, were it not for capitalists, the charitable organizations and foundations in this country would collapse within weeks and world suffering would increase tenfold.

Do you think Bill Gates is a capitalist hypocrite, too? The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation has an endowment exceeding $27 billion and is largely dedicated to the cause of world health. Capitalists are quite generous when the donations are voluntary. We do not, however, abide socialism where we are expected to open our wallets at the point of a gun.

Finally, I see you are gloating because "Palestinian militants on Thursday fired dozens of mortar shells and homemade rockets at Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip." Or are you just trying to undermine my joy in the recently announced cease fire. Peace is not an easy process, especially in the Middle East. And it's all the more difficult when people who profess to be pacifists cheer the lunatic militants when they temporarily interrupted the cease fire. So which are you, sir? A pacifist, a terrorist, or a hypocrite? I'd really like to know.

 
At 9:09 AM, Blogger William C. White said...

Here we go again with the emotional appeals. Saddam Hussein is murderous, torturous, genocidal, and a rapist. Come on, man!!!

Murder is a legal term. Saddam never “murdered” anyone!!! He has killed hundreds of thousands of people during wars (both internal and external), and he has killed thousands for violating the laws of his country. But guess what, SO HAS AMERICA.

What are you saying, when America says someone has violated our country’s laws and therefore should be killed, we are more just than Saddam Hussein? That’s your ethnocentrism speaking again!!! The Kurds were assisting Iran during the Iran-Iraq war; I would have killed every one of those bastards too, and guess what, America had that same attitude back then.

In fact America is notorious for killing those who aid the enemy; we have done it in the past (WW2, Vietnam, etc.) and we are doing it today (Taliban, Shiites, Sunnis, and anything else that looks or smells like an Arab).

The Shiites were (and according to several intelligence sources, still are) backed by Iran. Iran is Iraq’s enemy; the Shiites are working with the enemy. How is it murder to kill those who are committing treason? America does it. In fact, when we started this war, WE were killing the Shiites saying that they were crazy, fanatical terrorist. Why aren’t we murderers when we kill them, but when Saddam kills the exact same people for the exact same reasons (trying to overthrow the government), he is a murderer?

How many “innocent” Confederates did the Union kill during our civil war? How many “innocent” Americans have been put to death for violating our country’s laws? How many “innocent” Japanese were killed with the atomic bomb? How many “innocent” Vietnamese were killed with our napalm? So, you see, anyone can rewrite history and try to make people who were clearly our enemies out to be innocent victims; but if it looks like it, smells like it, and sits in a pile like it, it probably is BULLSHIT.

What’s even weirder, with respect to the Kurds, Saddam’s international “crime” is not killing the Kurds; his crime is using GAS to kill the Kurds. If he had used conventional weapons (bullets, tanks, explosives, etc.) the international community wouldn’t have said anything, but because he used gas that’s a problem. OKAY, that makes perfect sense!!!

So, calling Saddam Hussein a murderer may make ignorant people who don’t know what is going on feel better, but that bullshit doesn’t work with me.

Saddam Hussein was torturous? America injected its own people with radioactive material to see what the results would be!!! America allowed black men to stay infected with syphilis to see what the results would be!!! America gave soldiers LSD to see what the results would be!!! There are hundreds more. At least Saddam tortured those who were doing something wrong (trying to overthrow the government). What was America’s excuse? If Saddam had just killed them instead of torturing them would that have been better? I think Saddam knew the people he was dealing with. He knew what would make them stop. Let the record show, there was no violence like you’re seeing today in Iraq while Saddam was in power. He knew what would make them sit their asses down. When in Rome, do as the Romans!!!

Saddam committed genocide or tried to commit genocide? On who, the Indians? No, that was America. On the Tasmanians? No, that was England (they succeeded). Ohhh, you mean the Kurds? We’ve been here already, they were aiding the enemy, and therefore, they deserve the same treatment as the enemy. If they couldn’t defend themselves they should have stayed out of it. To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, If I didn’t have an army to fight with, I’d shut the fuck up.

Saddam Hussein is a rapist? Who did he rape? That’s just more of the bullshit stories like the Republican Guard taking babies out of incubators in Kuwait and bayoneting them. We now know that that was an outright lie that the American and Kuwaiti governments created to get to the American people’s emotions. In every war American soldiers have raped people, does that mean that rape is standard military operating procedure. Of course not. Just because some in Saddam’s party raped people does not mean Saddam condoned it. That’s just plain and simple bullshit. There was probably A RAPE, which has been turned into RAPES. That’s just silly American propaganda, which just happens to work on people like you rather easily. They why they keep using it. If you didn’t go for it anymore, they’d quit saying shit like that.

I love your extreme patriotism!!! “You’re damn right we would” (your response to attacking the American invaders). You obviously missed the point. Why is it patriotic and the natural thing to do if someone invaded America? But considered “terrorism” and “insurgency” when Iraqis do it in response to America invading Iraq? I don’t care how many propaganda pictures they show of people standing in line cheering for “democracy”. You don’t get 1,453 American military killed and 10,770 wounded from cheering democratic Iraqis. Wake up, dude!!! There is a large group of Iraqis who would rather have Saddam than America, or some bullshit Shiite government.

You’re stuck on this “the ends justify the means garbage”. You just can’t seem to understand that no matter how right democracy is, you cannot invade another country to make it “democratic”. That idea just does not seem to get through to you. Why doesn’t it get through to you? It’s called ethnocentrism. You have it REALLY bad. A society were all who contributed their fair share to society received equal access to the resources of the society would be the best society, should we overthrow America to implement that kind of society? Maybe reading some philosophy will help you, right now you seem to be a happy puppet controlled by your leaders. What they say, you say. What they believe, you believe. It’s called getting your own mind (that is, being liberal in your thinking). You see how being a “conservative” thinker makes you look really stupid?

As for the religious thing, you wrote “Where have you heard such a manipulative, immoral religious tenet being rammed down the throats of American children?”
Hmmmm, where have I heard that before…? Let me see…. Ohh, I remember now, Leviticus 26:7-9, 1 Kings 20:27-30, 2 Kings 19:35 and various other biblical verses. I’m not going to play the name all of the verses game. You can easily see how God says treat your enemies. You can also see what God will do to your enemies for you. These verses sound almost identical to what those “crazy” Muslims are saying, don’t they? Of course the enemy part is relative, but you get the idea. What is even weirder is, the last one, 2 Kings 19:35, seems to be saying that these guys are going to “wake up” dead. How silly.

The Koran does not speak directly about Americans or Israelis; they didn’t exist when the Koran was made. What the Koran speaks about are infidels, and other ungodly people. Note: the Bible does the exact same thing. The big difference between the people who believe in the Koran and the people who believe in the Bible is that Muslims practice what the Koran preaches. So when the Koran says kill those who commit adultery, they kill them. When the Koran says, kill “fake” Christian and Jews, they kill them. Note the Koran is talking about the Christian and Jews who say they believe, but don’t truly hold those beliefs in their hearts (That makes up about 99.9% of Christians). Do you condemn the Old Testament for saying kill your enemies? Of course not, because the Jews don’t follow this book that they claim to believe in. That’s the big difference, Christians and Jews are fake about what they believe in, that is, they say one thing but do another. Muslims tend to say it and do it. Right or wrong, Muslims tend to keep it real!!!

Yes, I think Bill Gates is a hypocrite. Anything else? I think capitalism is evil, and I think that the only good capitalist is a capitalist with a bullet in his head. I can tell from your response that you know nothing about socialism or capitalism. Did you know that of the top 100 companies in America ALL of them receive government tax breaks, subsidies, special hand outs, welfare, etc.? Did you know that these gifts cost hundreds of billions of dollars? Some of these companies would not be in existence without the American government backing them up financially. And there you go again saying stupid shit like socialism expects you to open your wallet at the point of a gun.

In a true socialist society you would not have to open up your wallet, because you wouldn’t have a wallet. If you contribute your fair share to society, you have access to ALL the resources of society. Get it? Only in a backward capitalist society does a person who is contributing there fair share to society still have to pay for food, clothing, and shelter. That should be a minimum that is EARNED for contributing to society. But like I said, you have no idea what capitalism, socialism, or communism is anyway. And until you learn about those things, it will be almost impossible to talk to you about it. To help you out, despite what your puppet masters told/tell you, the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. are NOT communist. A communist society has no class system, everyone has equal access to societal resources, and people are free to read, write, watch, preach, etc. what they want to. They can come and go as they please, and everyone works for the continuation of the perfect society. The above governments are actually totalitarian, authoritarian, or outright “thugatarian” regimes. They are not communist. Try studying up on these things for yourself instead of believing what others tell you. Ohh, I’m sorry, you can’t do that. That would make you a liberal.

P.S. You ask, “So which are you, sir? A pacifist, a terrorist, or a hypocrite? I’d really like to know.” Isn’t this a classic case of false dilemma? Dude, learn to reason. But I’ll play that game with you for a second, my answer, since you would really like to know, is I’ll be whichever one you find the most offensive. Now my turn for monkey reasoning:
Which are you, sir? A jism junkie, a pedophile, or a sperm burping Republican? You have to be one of them, now which is it?

 
At 4:04 PM, Blogger Patrick Anderson said...

TOP 10 MOST IRRATIONAL, TREASONOUS, AND/OR HILARIOUS QUOTES FROM WILLIAM C. WHITE (in this Blog Discussion alone):


10. "Saddam’s international “crime” is not killing the Kurds; his crime is using GAS to kill the Kurds."

9. "Look at the always sharp Ann Coulter in her own words, not what someone says she said,..." (in rebuttal to a direct quote from Ann Coulter's February 3, 2005 nationally syndicated column, complete with hotlink).

8. "Let the record show, there was no violence like you’re seeing today in Iraq while Saddam was in power. He knew what would make them sit their asses down. When in Rome, do as the Romans!!!"

7. "I think capitalism is evil, and I think that the only good capitalist is a capitalist with a bullet in his head."

6. "If they (the Kurds) couldn’t defend themselves they should have stayed out of it. To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, If I didn’t have an army to fight with, I’d shut the fuck up."

5. "You obviously believe that a cease fire means something."

4. "the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. are NOT communist."

3. "Just because some in Saddam’s party raped people does not mean Saddam condoned it. That’s just plain and simple bullshit. There was probably A RAPE, which has been turned into RAPES."

2. "When the Koran says, kill “fake” Christian and Jews, they kill them...Right or wrong, Muslims tend to keep it real!!!"

1. "Saddaam never murdered anyone!!!"


HONORABLE MENTION: "In a true socialist society you would not have to open up your wallet, because you wouldn’t have a wallet."

 
At 4:50 AM, Blogger William C. White said...

I don't speak retarded chimp, so I don't understand your response. You obviously lack the ability to argue your position. So, from this point on, I'll just treat you like the silly motherfucker you are.

P.S. The next time you see her, smack the fuck out of your mom for not aborting you!!!

 
At 5:31 PM, Blogger PuzzledPatriot said...

Um, wow. I'm not even going to touch any of that. There's a lot said by both Mr. Anderson and Mr. White that I agree with, and I lot that I don't. I would prefer to focus on the original post and Mr. Anderson's reply to my (long ago now) previous comment.

Mr. Anderson, thank you for your explanations. It may surprise you, in turn, that I agree with you in many ways. I have never advocated surrender or abandonment of the current situation in Iraq. That would be disastrous. The window is broken, we can't just let the snow blow in. I am proud of the Iraqi people who voted for risking their lives. I am proud of our soldiers (at least of those who haven't committed war crimes). What I am not proud of is the Bush administration. In my eyes, Bush has repeatedly, spectacularly, and publicly sacrificed his credibility. I no longer have any reason to believe that any action of the administration is motivated by anything other than greed or the warped ideology of this so-called Neo-Conservative movement. Because of this, when I hear about the extreme irregularity of the Iraqi elections, I am extremely suspicious. Now, granted, I don't know if I could have done any better, given the atmosphere of violence directed especially at anyone involved in the electoral process. My one thought would be to have begun on a neighborhood or community level and say to the Iraqi people: "This is your country. How do you want to organize it? We'll help however we can." This would take A LOT longer and might not work any better. I don't know.

Back on topic: If you want to celebrate the bravery of the Iraqi people and the (small) step toward democracy they have made, I salute you and will join you. If you want to celebrate the Bush administration for their role, I must take issue and argue against this on many, many fronts. However, I now fear this comment and the thread in general have become too long for anyone to read, so I will sign off.

Mr. Anderson, Mr. White, and anyone else brave enough to still be reading this: Be well.

 
At 7:31 PM, Blogger Patrick Anderson said...

Puzzled Patriot: I return your salute. There is little separating us after all. See you on another topic.

 
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