Friday, December 10, 2004

Is Bush the Antichrist?

Seattle Weekly: News: Is Bush the Antichrist? by Tim Appelo
Rich Lang, a local minister here in Seattle (right in my own neighborhood of Ballard, no less) is seriously making that very claim. He doesn't mean this in the literal End-Of-The-World fire and brimstone sense, but he makes a compelling case that George W. Bush "has the spirit of the Antichrist. Literally, break the word apart. It is a spirituality that is anti-Christ." Lang also indicts much of the fundamentalist movement that supported Bush. My favorite part is that he wants to revive the word heresy and apply it to end times theology and other elements of the religious right.

It is a profound relief to know that some spiritual leaders in this country see the same fundamental dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of the Bush administration that I see.

Lang's sermons are available in PDF format at his church's website: www.tumseattle.org.

74 Comments:

At 9:11 AM, Blogger Tara said...

I'm not really clear on where you stand on this so it will be kinda hard to comment but I will try. As far as PRESIDENT George W. Bush being the "antichrist" that is totally rediculous in every way. I myself am a christian and I proudly voted for President Bush and it was my first time voting as well. I do NOT regret my decision on that in any way. He has displayed incredibale integrity to me and a lot of other people. So i'm sorry to say this but I'm going to, just because one other person decided to share his opinion and you happened to agree with it, that just means that there is one "spiritual leader" that agrees with you not many others if any at all. Also shame on him for being so judgemental about our country's leader. If he is so spiritual, then shouldn't he be displaying that by respectfully and quietly disagreeing with our President. Who would he rather have in office? John Kerry? Seriously, get real.
I'm very sorry if I was offensive in any way, I don't mean to be I just love disgussing these kind of subjects. Please comment back I would love to hear your opinion.

~Tara~

 
At 10:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anti-Christ? Good one....

From what I know and have learned in the past through my reading, the Anti-Christ will be a "great deceiver". He will fool many and there will be an element of our society who will in fact look to the anti-christ as being "holy", and they whole time they won't even know they are being deceived.

I just don't see Bush in that capacity - half of the United States and a majority of the world thinks he's wrong and too many in the world think the guy is a bumbling moron - heck, the guy can't even speak in public without tripping all over his own words. I think a real Anti-Christ would have us all fooled and would be much more intelligent than Bush.

I would be more concerned with such things as National ID cards and the like. The next step from there will be forced to get a microchip implanted in your hand or forehead for ID and financial purposes - Then we will have something to worry about - The mark of the Beast.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger checkitontheinside said...

Pastors need to keep out of poltics on the pulpit. I have never liked the idea. Even hinting at who I should vote for is shady. Both canadites had their own demon's, everyone does. I don't like any of the parties out their now. We need a 3rd party with some new ideas.

 
At 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush, the anti-Christ!!! What have you've been smoking? Bush is the moral compass for this nation and I am extremely proud to have helped him get elected in the great state of Ohio.

 
At 5:56 PM, Blogger Eric said...

Biblically, the Anti-Christ is a person who denies that Jesus was/is the Christ. Bush does not deny Jesus as the Christ. In fact, he professes Christ. He's been pretty open-minded about Islam (which is actually the definition of Anti-Christ. In the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem it is inscribed, "God has no Son." So, Bush could you some theological training but I basically think he is sincere about his faith.

The pastor that you mention states that Sadam Hussein has not been linked with Al-Queda. I think this has been discredited. Saddam financed a good deal of the miltatant Islamic groups (including Al-Qaeda) in their infancy b/c the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend." www.worldmag.com had an article about it a couple of months that received zero attention in the mainstream press. There is also very strong evidence that Saddam was directly unvolved in the first bombing of the WTC back in the early 90's. This event came pretty close to being a 9-11 (it actually would have been much worse had it succeeded). Saddam and his henchman appear to have orchestrated the bombing as a payback for getting whupped in the Gulf War.

Enough said.

Eric
Eric

 
At 6:14 PM, Blogger D. said...

Saddam and Al Qaeda were not connected. The 9/11 commission has said so in their report, which confirmed Richard Clarke's statements (the former Terrorist Czar) in his book "Against All Enemies".
Bush has tried to link the 2 together to bolster support for the war in Iraq.

 
At 7:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who didn't actually read the article, I think the point here is that Bush and his advisors and supporters don't actually seem to support anything Christ taught.

The parts I remember from Sunday School are expressions of love and compassion, and treating others fairly and with patience.

"whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them" (Matthew 7:12).

38: "You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39: But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;

43: "You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44: But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you (both from Matthew 5, the "Sermon on the Mount").

These are the teachings of Jesus. He sets out to contrast his teachings from those of the Old Testament at every opportunity. How, then, are those who preach Old Testament vengeance and wrath to be considered followers of Christ?

We do not see the Bush Administration reaching out to beggars, raising up the lowly, or casting down the proud. The smug, self-righteous televangelists seem much more like the Pharisees of legend than they seem like the Christ who criticized their hypocrisy. We do not see Bush and his supporters giving up their worldly goods and serving God. In what way, then, are they Christian?

This what the article talks about. Much of this Administration's doctrine and action flies in the face of the clear teachings of Christ. This makes them against, or "anti", Christ. The article freely admits that using the inflammatory term "Anti-Christ" from Revelations is inaccurate and sensational. The paper, of course, cynically uses this to its advantage by using it as the front page headline. But buried in the ridiculous rhetoric is a very serious criticism. These people say they are Bible-believing, unquestioning, truer than true "Christians", but they don't seem to represent anything that Christ tried to represent. I join the Puzzled Patriot in my relief that some members of the Christian community (not just one) are calling that to the attention of the public.

The Green Man
the.green.man@comcast.net

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger The Scrutinator said...

Green Man says: "...Do not resist one who is evil...Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you..."

The logical conclusion, then, is anarchy. No prisons or any other consequences, because that's not "turning the other cheek."

Romans 13:3-4 (New Testament, not "Old Testament vengance and wrath") implies that one legitimate function of government is to make good people safe and wrongdoers afraid. (Consider that on the international level.)

Green Man says: "[Jesus] sets out to contrast his teachings from those of the Old Testament at every opportunity."

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus says: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Green Man says: "We do not see the Bush Administration...casting down the proud."

One might consider Saddam Hussein proud in the way he flaunted international law.

Of course, our founding fathers, strongly influenced by Christianity, wrestled with all these same things and came up with our government (prisons and all). Maybe instead of reinventing the wheel, we should look at what they had to say.

 
At 11:14 AM, Blogger Joe Cross said...

I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone here, that there are inconsistencies in the Bible. An ancient text, written in several stages hundreds of years apart, often hundreds of years after the events described therein had taken place, and then translated through several different languages and cultural filters is bound to be filled with inconsistencies. The same can be said of the Koran, and this is why anyone who takes the words of these texts literally (i.e. fundamentalists) can be doing no such thing. It is impossible, follow every instruction, because of the contradictions, and so the only way is to interpret it how you like, and follow the bits you agree with. 'An eye for any eye' is often quoted as a defence for capital punishment, which Bush wholeheartedly supported. It is only fair, therefore, for it to be pointed out that the very next line urges people to 'turn the other cheek'. That way people can choose which they think they should do.

It seems, (according to The Scrutinator) that Christ encouraged his followers to continue to obey the old laws, but he also said 'I am the way' and encouraged people to follow his teachings. Why do we not stone people for working on the Sabbath if we are still to obey the old laws?

Where I agree with you, Scrutinator, is that the Founding Fathers wrestled with these ideas themselves and, incorporating a few centuries of civilisation, enlightenment thinking and English common law, came up with a decent compromise. The Constitution is not infallible, but it is fairly good, and even it's fallibility was accounted for in the granting of Congress the right to make Amendments to it. However, if you look at what the Constitution has to say, as you urge, then you discover that this administration has consistently gone against the Founding Fathers' explicit intent - especially as regards the justice system, where the right to due process granted by the Bill of Rights has been flagrantly ignored. Maybe we live in a time where such measures are justified (I happen to disagree, but maybe), but in that case, we again refer back to the Constitution and discover that only the legislature (Congress) and, latterly, the judiciary (Supreme Court) have the right to make that decision. Not the Executive (president).

Does President Bush live his life according to the teachings of the Bible? It certainly seems so, belatedly, at least. Do his policies, both foreign and domestic, reflect this? Sometimes - faith based initiatives come to mind, but invading Iraq is questionable. Do his policies reflect the values of the Constitution? Again, sometimes. Is he the anti-Christ? No. Is he a good president? Not in my opinion - for me, with regards to the Constitution, 'sometimes' isn't good enough.

 
At 12:53 PM, Blogger JohnB said...

It seems ironic to me that the "Antichrist" concept, usually mocked by the left as a notion of the right-wing "religious fanatics", along with creationism and other biblical concepts, becomes legitimate ammunition once it is used against Bush. I overheard a right wing neighbor speculating that Barack Obama, the new Senator from Illinois, was the Antichrist. Since I dismissed their point of view as nutty, I must apply the same judgement to Rich Lang.

My suggestion would be to leave out the Antichrist drama and judge individuals on their more tangible attributes and accomplishments.

 
At 4:26 PM, Blogger Me said...

What's really amusing is watching people calling themselves "open-minded" but still seeing the world as having to be either Creationism-based or Evolution-based.

But I digress.

In order for there to be an Anti-Christ you have to the Christ to be the "anti" of. Common sense mixed with clever allegories to create something which has been forced upon us to accept as fact does not cut it for me. Hey, maybe I'm the Anti-Christ. I listen to what my heart says, and my mind concurs, Christianity and the rest of them are nothing but spectacular displays of human mind control at its finest.

Therefore, no, I don't feel that Bush is the Anti-Christ or that it is even possible for him to be an Anti-Christ. He's just another spoiled child of another corrupt millionaire earning his keep by playing his role in the biggest scam in history.

The longer you people hold onto your crutches the longer we'll all suffer.

 
At 7:09 PM, Blogger zack said...

ok, i don't need to tell people that there should be a seperation between church and state, should i? religious people need to get the hell over themselves and realize that their ideas are not the only ones. bush doesn't know what the hell he's doing, anyone that would like to argue about that, you're welcome to do so on my blog. i have alot more to say. by the way, god is fucking dead to me. i'm sure you will all pray that my soul finds peace though. jesus died for his own sins, not mine.

 
At 11:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scrutinator: I said only that Bush is unwilling to follow these teachings, not that the teachings make any sense. So it does you no good to ask whether I think this or that Christian sentiment can be defended to its logical conclusions. If you want to prove that Bush is a Christian, you need to show me the ways in which his actions follow the teachings of Christ.

Instead, you say the teachings don't make sense or are contradicted by other writings. It is a warped game indeed to discredit the teachings of Christ in order to demonstrate that someone is a follower of Christ.

-- The Green Man

 
At 5:20 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

It is a profound relief to know that some spiritual leaders in this country see the same fundamental dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of the Bush administration that I see.

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At 5:29 AM, Blogger Charlie said...

It is a profound relief to know that some spiritual leaders in this country see the same fundamental dishonesty and moral bankruptcy of the Bush administration that I see.

You really should get out more. That post is pure garbage. Its in the same league as calling Margret Thatcher a dictator as her enemies once did, they now follow her policies. Where do you unearth this crap.

 
At 7:18 AM, Blogger bruno said...

I find all these comments interesting. Especially the ones who are so confident of their statements that they hide behind anonymous. My only comment is that God puts those in authority where they are. If you remember anything from sunday school, then maybe you should pray to God that our president will do his will.

 
At 11:05 AM, Blogger raej said...

just some scattershot thoughts based on all this:

- i don't think bush is The Antichrist, nor do i think that was the real point of the article. Rich seemed to mostly be pointing out that he and a lot of other christians (who he quoted killing the 'this is just one man' idea) think that bush and his jolly band aren't behaving as christians, ie, following the rules laid out by that christ fella. in other words, their words and actions differ, thus making them, at the very least, hypocrits.

- seperation of church and state, as i understand it, does not indicate that your pastor cannot tell you what he thinks god wants you to do, but rather that the government cannot tell you which pastors you must and must not attend to.

- again, bush may not be The AC, but he does seem to have at least 51% of US voters and 2 people or more in this comments section fooled. ("incredable integrity" and "moral compass"? thank you for your instruction in irony.)

- if god places our leaders in such way as pleases him, a) where were we justified in attacking another sovereign (ie, saddam)?
and
b) why don't we just go back to a monarchy?

 
At 8:24 PM, Blogger Phrogg said...

It's never been unclear to me that George bush is the antichrist, and I am a churchgoing christian. Any christian who thinks the war is good for christianity is not a christian. You will all burn in hell.

 
At 9:59 PM, Blogger Jaclyn :) said...

Let's all give props to Phrogg for his or her great Biblical teaching. If you go to church so much, read the Old Testament for once. It'll prove everything you said wrong.

P.S. I think you missed the part where God says don't judge others wrongly. It's really Christian to say we're going to burn in hell for believing that war, in some cases, is legitimate. Keep spreading the (wrong) Word.

 
At 3:31 PM, Blogger Easleycrat said...

4 Points:

A) Again, thank God some other Christians see through Bush's rhetoric.

B) The Democrats need to get off this anti-religious kick. Remember, it was southern Christians who helped end both slavery and segregation (remember REV. Martin Luther Jr?). Jesus was a friend of the poor, not the rich, just like the democratic party is (supposed to be).

C) War is definitely un-Christian. Not always unavoidable, but then that's one reason for separation of church and state.

D) You won't go to Hell for supporting war, and any number of sins that you may or may not commit, because you will commit quite a few. Avoiding going to Hell has more to do with accepting Jesus into your heart.

 
At 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paraphrasing Monty Python: He's not the AntiChrist, He's a very naughty boy!

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger shapechanger said...

I've been forwarding Rich Lang's article on Christian Fascism around the web for a couple of months now. No, I don't think Bush and Co are the AntiChrist, I think they're fascists. Fascism is the marriage of the state with the corporations and we seem to be seeing quite a lot of that these days. Combine it with the loss of habeus corpus, the fact that 1200 Muslims were "disappeared" in this country after 9/11, the fact that the man who wrote the memos justifying torture has been nominated for Attorney General (!!) and that hundreds of people are being held without charge and without lawyers behind barbed wire at Guantanamo, Diego Garcia and various other spots and America is looking pretty grim these days. I won't even go into the economy except to say that Bush seems to be holding true to his statement "The poor are poor because they're lazy." As for the fatwa against the Supreme Court justices by Pat Robertson, I believe the Biblical quote was "Whatever you ask in My Name..." Somehow I don't think praying that someone will get cancer or coronaries applies. Not in the Name of the One who started His public life by reading the scripture "the blind see and the lame walk".

 
At 6:22 AM, Blogger Mike's America said...

People who would promulgate such absolutely absurd nonsense like this completely undermine any support for the social issues they claim are important. Whoever takes clowns like this seriously unless your name is already BOZO?

 
At 2:35 PM, Blogger Ryan said...

Wow, what a great discussion. I agree that Bush is probably not the anti-christ but more a overly-handled corporatist moralist whos own moral compas is functioning as if hes in a plane over the bermuda triangle.

Christ never said anything about homosexual marriage, and indeed the view that Christ might have been more for compassion of gays even if he didn't believe their lifestyle is likely.

It is ambigious how the actual Christ might have felt about some of these wedge issues used by politicians 2000 years after his time, the same ones that have inspired his followers to come out in droves on election day.

The more important point is what Christ was unambigious about. He would clearly not be in favor of this or any war. He clearly would not be in favor of the bottomless pit created by the succession of capitalism controlled by the same breed of moneylenders that he chased from the temple. He clearly would be in favor of social welfare and programs to protect the meek, the least of our countries poor and homeless.

He clearly would be against the state getting involved with the church, it was this very entanglement that landed him on the long handled plus sign left for the buzzards to pick. The tax cuts that had 80% going to the richest 5% of the wealthiest Americans is not very christian. He would clearly be against the war of civilizations that Bush has been pushing with the Muslim countries of the world.

The point is that people see what they want to see, especially when they wear the blinders of organized religion. The problem is that there is a great divide between the actual teaching of Christ and the preachings of the church started in his name. When this happens, in the absence of Christ to question, they listen to the church even when it has come out against some of the same things that Jesus favored and the church was against like the War in Iraq which the Pope and the Vatican condemned.

The majority of the country doesn't want to tackle these big complicated questions of morality that are involved in understanding this war. They are lazy and revert to the gut issues like gay marriage and abortion that can be explained in one-word answers.

Saying Bush has integrity is like saying that Christ supported the death penalty. Of course its not true, but what does truth matter anyway.

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http://gonzogoblin.blogspot.com/

 
At 3:41 PM, Blogger Melissa said...

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At 3:44 PM, Blogger Melissa said...

Look, in my opinion Bush is not the Anti-Christ. He's just an inadequate leader with poor English skills.

 
At 11:51 PM, Blogger Me said...

Mr. Good Christian Bush may be the neo-con's wet dream but you have to question the motives behind what they do. Logic would reason that someone who is a die-hard Christian would push an agenda which would promote the best interests of Christians in general. However, your lovely Christian leaders and politicians seem to find some value in maintaining the Jewish state of Israel(no, we're not delving into anti-Semitism so get away from the delete button). Why would they do this? For the Jewish vote in America? Yeah, the whole 1.9% of the Jewish population in the U.S.(as of 2001...I'm a lazy Googler) which includes those who either don't or who inelligible to vote really makes a great argument. Maybe they fear the Jewish power over the American economy and media. Unlikely. Take a look at which Jews own what and for which companies. Then see where those companies earn the bulk of their profits. They're not going anywhere, U.S.-backed Israel or not. So what business do Christians have in putting America at risk all for the sake of a non-Christian state? My money is going on some very un-Christian activities.

 
At 4:45 AM, Blogger Carter King said...

Not surprising that the kooky leftist media in the People's Republic Of SEattle would come up with some shit like this

 
At 7:09 AM, Blogger Jade said...

I agree with Tara. Tara, i congradulate you on how calm you were in saying what you had to say. i wouldn't be able to do it. NO way! i would be yelling and typing in big print letters. so i am just going to agree with her. and another thing that i will add, how could a full pleadged christian be the antichrist? if any one is the antichrist, it is Rich Lang. either him or John Kerry, but thankfully we dont have to worry about him being in office, or else we would all be under the domination of the antichrist. thank God for the President!!

 
At 1:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally disagree. The President is such a great guy. people say that I am the biggest Republican alive, that makes me chuckle. George Bush is my hero! He cannot speak in public very well but oh well. I mean after getting high on crack for so many years who can blame him. He is definetly "the moral compass of the nation." He kind of deserted in the Air National Guard too. But who wouldnt have. It was Vietnam. Make the poor people go. Right? Gosh he is such a great guy! I think we should move the capital to Crawford, Texas. There are too many homeless people in DC. and god forbid, liberals too. I hate liberals. They are too intelligent and always want to help the world. I dont like the rest of the world. They are different. And some of them are Muslims!!!! I think we should nuke the rest of the world! And all the democrats too!! Well i have to go now. Im gonna go beat my wife and hunt some immigrants now. Long live George Bush!11111111

 
At 6:01 PM, Blogger Gustavo said...

My comentary not is religious. But, loking for caracters of anti- crist- will be encarnacion of the defects of the man- i think than mr. Bush is a anti- crist, but not The Anti- crist. In my opinion, mr. Bush is similary to Osama Bin Lade: is fundamentalist in relacion of religion and believe than is a "new profet" of God for Goes Gospel to the outher countries. But, in Iraq- I reed in cristian newspaper in my country- catolics, protestants and jews had freedom of religion. Why mr. Bush ataq Iraq? In really, he need of iraq's oil. Is the real motivacion for War on Iraq. But many americans vote in Bush, in last election. HE WAS REELECT FOR PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. Peoples of the world are sad, because this. But Iraq Resistency will be vitorious. God is love and Justice, but Bush is the State's terrorism and injustice.

 
At 8:19 AM, Blogger Seth said...

I have a response for Jana and Tara, and I say this as a fellow Christian.

First, the quote: 'how could a full pleadged christian be the antichrist?'

What about Judas Iscariot? He followed Jesus for 3 years. He 'did the stuff-' preaching, healing, feeding the poor and comforting the downtrodden. He was a disciple through and through, there's no denying that. However, somewhere along the line something went terribly wrong. In the end though, he betrayed Christ and was fundamental in his death.

Obviously then and even from the start we see that professing Christians can be very bad apples. Not to be hyperbolic, but Adolph Hitler was a 'professing' Christian and claimed to be doing God's will. He was lifting Germany up and fullfilling its destiny as a light to all people (I think our nationalistic rhetoric is a little closer to that then we'd like to imagine). Fortunately, people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the German Confessing Church identified his heretic bullshit as such and consistantly called him out on it.

Rich Lang is doing something similar... and he is right to criticize Bush's religious overtones. I don't know if I would go so far as to call him an anti-Christ, but he's certainly not the next incarnation of Moses. He's hardly God's instrument, as so many would like to believe.

Besides, did anyone catch the blatant heresy Bush used in the speeches after 9/11? He called American the city on the hill, and in so many words called our nation 'the light of world.' Maybe he wasn't really thinking about what he was saying, or maybe he - like so many other Americans - subconciously believes we're the 'best,' the next 'chosen people' even.

Now that I bring that up, I think that is the big heresy many of us (including myself) are guilty of. We think because we're the richest, biggest, and most powerful that is evidence that God's hand is on us.

In closing, here's an alternative intepretation of the choices we had in our last election. No matter what any of us did, either John Kerry or George Bush was going to be elected the next leader of our country. If you ask me, that's evidence plenty that God is CURSING us, and NOT blessing us.

 
At 4:01 PM, Blogger Gustavo said...

I agree with Seth: God is cursing the U.S.A., because your wrong acts against other peoples. I am Cristian, member of the Lutheran Church, and I believe in the God of the Bible. And Jesus, Son of God, said in Holy Bible: "God is love". But, mr. Bush made war againstother peoples, and used the nome of God for justify your bad actions.
I am Brazilian, and really, in my country and your nacions of the Third World, many peoples don't like mr. Bush, because your attaqs and invasions against other nacions, how Iraq, in actuality.
I am citizen of Brazil, and really, internacional (bad)acts of mr. Bush made than all peoples of Third World don't like of governement of the United States.
But, now is 12/24, and tomorrow will be christmas day. All cristians, will go celebrate born of Jesus Crist. For us, He is the Son of God, the Mashiach (jewish word) of the Humanity. In this day, pray for God than conflicts in the world will be finish.
Peace for all us, citizens og the world. God save us. God Bless Humanity.

 
At 7:50 PM, Blogger Lord_Quadrupidord said...

Bush's statements about morality and religion were just merely a political campaign trick made in hopes of attracting the Fundamentalists to vote for him. He fooled most of America's citizens into thinking that he was very concerned about "moral issues", even though it is obviously more moral to establish universal health care and not resort to cavalier attitudes when it comes to foreign policy, instead of just banning gay marriage and abortion. I used to support Bush, but as the war in Iraq spiraled out of U.S control, I realized that I had been deceived.

 
At 11:39 PM, Blogger PuzzledPatriot said...

I'm glad to see such a lively debate. I'd like to thank everybody on both sides for sharing their thoughts. We are clearly very divided in our opinions of Mr. Bush's morality. I obviously cast my lot with those who find it lacking, but I hope we can find some common ground, or at least some understanding. I will list 6 reasons why I consider Bush dishonest (without using his tax policies or the Iraq war). Six examples which I believe are factually provable and which demonstrate dishonesty by Mr. Bush.
1) Bush appoints former industry lobbyists to regulate those same industries. Here's a link to a reprint of an article in the Denver Post.
2) The White House’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) proposed a rule change last year that would prohibit most scientists who are funded by the government from reviewing the science used to make policy decisions. Industry-funded scientists, however, are not restricted. For a discussion of this proposed rule change and its impacts, please read this article by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
3) In the 2000 campaign, Bush specifically promised not to raid the Social Security surplus to pay for other programs. He promptly broke his promise. This is a matter of public record and is documented concisely in the book "Perfectly Legal" by David Cay Johnston, particularly chapter 8 and page 126. Go to your bookstore. Check it out.
4) No Child Left Behind is one gigantic lie. First, demanding increased "accountability" is tantamount to an unsubstantiated accusation of corruption. Second, the act offers parents a voucher worth approximately $2,400 per child to put said child in private school. That's nice, except for the fact that the Bush administration had the Department of Education remove information on private school tuition from their website. The amount of that average tuition is $28,500, more than a factor of 10 greater than what's covered by the voucher. (My reference: Bushlies.net, scroll down seven items.)
5) The War on Salmon. The Bush administration has pushed to change rules allowing hatchery raised salmon to be counted when determining if the salmon in a particular river can be removed from the endangered or threatened lists. Allow me to loosely paraphrase the problem with this: hatchery raised salmon don't know which river to swim up for spawning. This means they are effectively neutered; they cannont reproduce. Allowing a river to be dammed because of hatchery-raised salmon numbers could be likened to releasing a bunch of neutered Bald Eagles and then declaring that DDT is safe to use again. Furthermore, the Administration effectively deleted scientific advice from an official report on endangered salmon. For more details, check out this article, also by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
6) Bush's repeated claims during the 2004 campaign that John Kerry was the most liberal senator were technically correct, but hideously misleading. For details, see Dick Cheney's favorite website, FactCheck.org. In a nutshell, it says that the National Journal rankings which placed Kerry at #1 most liberal senator for 2003 were based on the fact that Kerry missed nearly half of all the votes that took place that year. Furthermore, certain issues where Kerry had a more conservative voting record that year were thrown out because they only had one or two votes from him. FactCheck.org argues that a more fair assessment places at 11th most liberal among currently seated senators for his lifetime record.

Well, that wasn't as concise as I could have wished, but there you have it. Six fact-based, referenced examples where Bush and his administration have publicly lied, broken promises, or otherwise behaved dishonestly. If that's not enough, I invite you to peruse the other articles at www.bushlies.net. It might take a while.

So, to Charlie (who called my post garbage) and to the Anonymous poster who suggested I was smoking something and to everyone engaging in this debate who feels Bush is the moral compass of the nation, I invite you to show me your side of the story. What is it you see that I don't? What has Bush done that makes him so moral? Are my examples of his lies mere fabrications? Have I been deceived by the media? Or is there some reason to forgive them? I hope we can continue to have a thoughtful, rational debate on these issues. Oh, and Merry Christmas!

 
At 11:10 PM, Blogger ruthie said...

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